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PERF CBP Report, 2013

Shooting at Vehicles

Fifteen cases were reviewed where shots were fired at or into vehicles by CBP agents.

Observations:

Based on a review of the submitted cases, it appears that CBP practice allows shooting at the driver of any suspect vehicle that comes in the direction of agents. It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force. In most of these cases, the agents have stated that they were shooting at the driver of a vehicle that was coming at them and posing an imminent threat to their life. In some cases, passengers were struck by agents’ gunfire. Little focus has been placed on defensive tactics that could have been used by shooting agents such as getting out of the way. It should be recognized that a ½ ounce (200 grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000 pound moving vehicle, and if the driver of the approaching vehicle is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat. Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.

The cases suggest that some of the shots at suspect vehicles are taken out of frustration when agents who are on foot have no other way of detaining suspects who are fleeing in a vehicle.

Most reviewed cases involved non-violent suspects who posed no threat other than a moving vehicle.

There is little doubt that the safest course for an agent faced with an oncoming vehicle is to get out of the way of the vehicle. CBP policy should be “Agents shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly physical force is being used against the police officer or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.” Training and policy changes should be implemented to implement this policy.

Date: 2026-01-13 02:45 am (UTC)
southwest: (Default)
From: [personal profile] southwest
DHS policy

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/law-enforcement/mgmt-dir_044-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf

and search for "moving vehicles" . For example: DHS LEOs are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other conveyance unless the use of deadly force against the operator is justified under the standards articulated elsewhere in this policy. Before using deadly force under these circumstances, the LEO must take into consideration the hazards that may be posed to law enforcement and innocent bystanders by an out-of-control conveyance.

Date: 2026-01-13 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pharmazevt
--hazards that may be posed to law enforcement and innocent bystanders by an out-of-control conveyance.--
Что и произошло: машина с мертвым водителем продолжала движение направо и врезалась в другую стоящую машину.

Date: 2026-01-13 03:26 am (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi
Да, это вроде бы совершенно очевидно.
Я помалкиваю на эту тему, потому что сам однажды вставал on the way of the vehicle. Ну правда, это и было единственным способом остановить пацана на мотоцикле. Зато соседи зауважали. И пацан перестал хулиганить.

Date: 2026-01-13 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nicoljaus
>the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force

Мне кажется, это именно то, что сделал Росс. С учетом того, что вокруг машины он бегал с телефоном в правой руке, а перед капотом оказался уже готовый к стрельбе и сразу начал шмалять.

Date: 2026-01-13 08:00 am (UTC)
chuka_lis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chuka_lis
конечно там речь не шла о жизни или смерти этого мерзкого агента. он продемонстрировал "право силы": могу и стреляю, а ты должна быть тварь дрожащая. и те, кто сверху по званию, вплоть до белого дома и тп, еще более открыто продемонстрировали аналогичное- защитив его действия и обвинив погибшую.
этот агент и ему подобные- беспредельщики, творят беспредел, и как видим, теущий закон (и власть)- позволяет (а при трампе -и поощряет).

Date: 2026-01-13 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pharmazevt
Вон оно что: это система. Недаром этот Росс агент с десятилетним стажем.

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